Inventingman,
There is currently a scramble to seek valuable sources of pecuniary storage. Gold, for example, is gaining appreciation. That, my friend, is a measure of human ignorance.
Anyone so disposed to point out just how absurd this trend is - will tend to be called a 'conspiracy theorist' and be forced to wear a tinfoil hat in the stockade of public esteem; all arranged by the professors of current monetary theory.
Money is energy on the move, you see, and those experiments you are now considering to conduct are examples of just how valuable currency can be in the minds of our species; man and woman.
How much current is required?
How much does it cost to aquire the needed current?
How much power do you produce with the power consumed?
If I may point out:
Your thinking is the "Old way" and this too can be proven.
Ask not how little. Ask how much.
Ask not what is the least required. Ask how much is the greatest possible rate?
If for example you do find that the rate of return on your investment is sufficient for the goals that you envision, then, ask, just for fun, what could you do if you double your rate?
In other words: If you find that for the cost of x amount of current, for that cost, you can produce x+y, then, add 2, or, 2x = 2(x+y).
What you may find, now, even before the experiments play out, is, that x, or the cost, the power required, must be less than the production achieved. Not 'something for nothing', instead, less of something less valuable for more of something more valuable. Why stop?
And here we arrive at that basic concept of energy in frozen time. That is where the human brain locks up.
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, as the saying goes, along with a whole lot of exacting science. Energy changes form.
Electricity goes in. Hydrogen gas comes out.
How much does it cost to get the energy going in. How much energy do you have stored once, not the time factor, once the energy stops flowing?
Why stop it?
Confusing?
Pay the guy for electricity. Store the new hydrogen. Then: stop paying the guy for electricity once you have enough hydrogen stored.
Now:
Is it possible to pay for just as much, and even more, electricity by consuming the hydrogen stored? Can the hydrogen be consumed and, then, can that new value be returned to the electric company for more electricity over and above the first quantity of electricity consumed in the first experiment?
Answer: No.
That is the Knee Jerk reaction.
A. If the independent Power farmer first buys one Solar Panel and uses that Solar Panel to make only hydrogen, then, it is a simple matter of time before the electric energy costs nothing. In other words the hydrogen consumption pays for the cost of the Solar Panel and eliminates the cost of paying the electric bill.
That can be a tough concept to swallow, if, the person thinks in terms of static time. In fact the Solar Panel costs about 1K, pick any monetary unit, to have that Solar Panel at the house and generating usable electric current.
1K, pick any monetary unit, doesn't fall from the sky like sunlight. Yet 1K is spent, from time to time, on stuff. In time the 1K is consumed and the Solar Panel exists, on the independent person's property, and the electricity comes out. Note: Solar Panels, last time I checked, work efficiently for 30 years.
I did some math awhile ago and one solar panel takes about one year to pay for itself at the current rate of monetary exchange. After that the electricity is very nearly cost free.
In other words a person can wait one year watching the flow of currency from the sun to the solar panel through the house, subtract that amount from the electric bill, send the monetary units not sent to the electric company to a bank account, when the bank account is full, in one year, the monetary units reach a targeted level whereupon another Solar Panel can be purchased and installed on the house; all costs included. In other words the energy farmer does not lift a finger; almost. The home independent power producer sits back and watches, He or she uses the phone to call the appropriate people on his or her phone with his or her own power used to charge the battery in the phone.
It is possible, then, to pay for more electricity, than the electricity used to make the hydrogen, by consuming the hydrogen stored?
No?
If the independent home power producer didn't use his Sun energy, turned into electric energy, to convert to pecuniary units, and instead, used that Solar Panel to make hydrogen, then, could one days storage of hydrogen be used to power as much stuff as the stuff powered by the Sun energy converted to electric energy?
Example: A Honda generator used to run the lights in the house at night when trying to draw up more plans for more home energy production experiments. Can the hydrogen be used to power as much as the electric energy used?
In other words; if this cycle of power production and consumption is put in place, then, will the supply of hydrogen increase over time or will the energy required (the sun), and water, be less than the energy consumed (the hydrogen)?
The answer is:
Why not make HHO gas or Magnegas instead of hydrogen?
If hydrogen can’t do it, then, HHO gas or Magnagas may be able to do it, since, those new forms of energy storage, better than gold, are perhaps, twice as efficient as hydrogen.
Sun + sewage = magnegas
Gasoline or Diesel or Vegetable oil + water + automobile = HHO gas
Does the power produced exceed the power required? (Not energy)
If so then:
Sun + sewage in = excess magnagas out.
Mg > S + s
Then:
Sun + sewage + excess magnegas = excess magnegas
or
S + s + m = m^2
That is called: investment.
The Sun will continue to supply the energy so long as the sun keeps shining.
The sewage will continue to supply the energy so long as people continue to combine water, feces, and urine.
The magnegas will continue to be produced so long as the device is maintained.
Magnegas production will continue to be produced, in excess, so long as the technology is utilized in this manner.
The question then becomes:
What happens when too much magnegas is produced or what would cause someone or everyone to stop making magnegas?
or
Why would anyone turn off the switch?
Possible answer:
The world has too much cheap energy.
or
The individual power farmer can't sell cheap energy.
If that does happen, as apparently the science, so far, indicates that it can happen, then, a barrel of oil will be less valuable than a septic tank full of shee-it.
or
The human species arrives at Dooms Day.
only
The actual Dooms Day is not the same one that we have been led to believe in.
Try this experiment:
Tools:
A personal multiple choice test
Method:
At a time when you feel particularly good about living take the test.
Test question:
How do I feel now?
A. Life is very good
B. Life is good
C. Life is OK
D. Life is marginally OK
E. Life is life
F. Life is a chore
G. Life is a bitch
H. I want to kick some ass
I. I want to kill
J. I want to die
Watch T.V. or read a magazine or newspaper
Take the test.
Repeat the test at different times. Record the results.
